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Monday 15th November 2010 | 12:20
Ministers and MPs will occasionally, but very privately, complain that the voters are idiots at worst or hypocrites at best.
But none would dream of going public - as Labour's Eric Joyce has done today* - with a charge that the real "liars" in politics are the voters themselves.
Joyce's cris de coeur looks like it has been sparked by the row over Phil Woolas telling lies about his opponent, although it could reflect the wider frustration of many MPs who are sick of being tarnished by the expenses saga.
Part cod-psychology, part heavy irony, it's certainly a different take on The Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them approach.
Here's an example of his views:
"So why is it that all politicians, apart from me, are such lying liars? Why are they all, with the same caveat, such cowardly cowards? What’s so wrong with democracy that it only elevates to public office scoundrels and never the pure (me aside)? It’s a puzzle.
"It occurs to me that, just for laughs you understand, it might be worth taking a look at these questions through the other end of the telescope. What if it were the case that our democratic system does not systematically and dysfunctionally send just the scum of the earth to Westminster?
"What, instead, if it were true that many people were living lies and using politicians as a means of exorcising their own demons of guilt and frustration; politicians the vessel for their own imperfections?"
The voter 'lies' that Joyce identifies cover issues such as personal drug use, views on taxation levels, their own personal racism and even (gulp) paedophilia.
It's certainly true that polling shows that the public hold contradictory views on policy. They will frequently say they want more spending on public services yet not want to put up taxes. They don't like 'postcode lotteries' yet agree that Whitehall shouldn't run everything.
But Joyce seems to be going further. Here's his summary:
"Here’s the truth. It’s hard to lie as a politician because everything we say is subject to enormous scrutiny – we’ll get found out even if we wanted to lie in the first place. But politicians know the lies a lot of people live and they pitch to you accordingly. There’s a lot of lying going on, for sure. The letters-page paragons are right in that respect. But they might want to reflect on who is really doing the lying."
Now let's see what the public make of that....
*FOOTNOTE: On the same LabourUncut site, I note that the excellent India Knight writes today on how MPs can at least try to better connect with the punters. As she points out, blogging and Tweeting can actually help - as long as it's authentic.
UPDATE:
Tory party deputy chairman Michael Fallon, an avid reader of this blog I understand, is quick to stick the boot in:
“This extraordinary online rant demonstrates contempt for the electorate. Yet again, it calls Ed Miliband’s judgement into question. Only a few weeks ago he appointed Eric Joyce to Labour’s front bench.”
The Falkirk MP certainly has a colourful history. In April he Tweeted: ‘I hate politics, I really do. I'm crap at it'.
In 2008, he claimed almost £187,334 in expenses, making him the highest expenses claimer in the Commons.
In October 2008, he was banned from driving after being caught doing 81 mph on the M9.
When he was a Major in the army, he was suspended for a series of articles and interviews in which he accused the army of snobbery and public school bias.
6pm UPDATE: Mr Joyce has now issued a statement of clarification:
"I was simply saying that issues are not always as straightforward as they seem. I have the highest respect for the public and I would never insult voters."
I'm told the whips are also set to have a firm word in Mr Joyce's shell-like. Or as the Met Police would put it (re the riot cock-up last week), an 'interview without tea or biscuits'.
Sandra
Paul - I looked in to see if my request for name had been deleted (old news now). But this one caught my eye. Is it really an unnatural instinct for a journalist or politician to read when a member of the public is being authentic or not, some comments may not be of value, because you know how they might be perceived if not written in full (just the way it is), but mainly, I can't think of a single comment read as a member of the public myself, from other members of the public, that do not instantly read as being authentic. I'm not even apologizing for this comment. And India Knight right on the first bit but wish she had said, journalists/politicians don't always know how to read the public. Funny thing is, we (some of us), always have read when a journalist/politician is being authentic, too, (put the signs up in the future, please). The man above seems to have a fragile ego! Have fun with the site! It's one I will remember!
sandra
The man above not Paul W.
Stuart
Good on him, to a certain extent; it's certainly probably one of the most interesting articles I've read from an MP in a good while. I find that Fallon blokes response - 'insult to the electorate, this calls into question Ed Mili's judgment' - far more offensive and patronising in its rent-a-quote predictability.
toni
I agree with Stuart, the 'question of judgement' mantra is as infuriating as it is predictable, and my response is a massive Puh! and mutter 'Oh just wind your blasted neck in, idiot!'
S.
Was my request left as a means to annoy, possibly. Print my name in neons if the case, you can only request. But whilst I'm here, prefer psychology as a science rather that an art, and I'm not the expert or in need of council. Must be nice having access to everyone lives, the above.
Mike
Both politicians and voters lie. Politicians lie to get the trusts and votes of the audience and voters. While voters lie to make their lives easier and comfortable. We voters wanted to have an improved community yet we do not want to pay higher taxes. Best, Dillard Mike
Fats
You really found a way to make this whole preocss easier.